GOR??... What is it about

Discussion in 'General BDSM discussions' started by MastersLil1, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. MastersLil1

    MastersLil1 New Member

    I met a brilliant Master online a few years ago... His name was Master Gor and I was telling me all bout Kajira and Gor... Ive looked up info on it but it just seems to be a make believe dungeons and dragons kind of thing... Can anyone elaborate further!?
     
  2. sebastian

    sebastian Active Member

    The Gor novels, written under the pen name John Norman, are a series of 30 novels, published beginning in 1966. They are part of the sword-and-planet (or planetary romance) genre of sci-fi, and have some similarities to the John Carter, Warlord of Mars novels of Edgar Rice Burroughs. What really distinguishes that is that they have a very substantial element of power exchange in them. On the planet of Gor, men are dominant and women are submissive and for the most part slaves. The women are trained in a wide variety of complicated slave positions designed to demonstrate submission and make them sexually available to men. Although they are adventure novels, there is a substantial element of pornography to them as well. Because of the maledom femsub structure of Gorean society, the novels have been heavily criticized as misogynistic (deservedly so, from what I've seen).

    As adventure literature, the Gor novels are not very good; they're basically D-grade literature. The only reason they're significant is that these novels were being published when hetero BDSM was in its infancy; straight BDSMers found the novels appealing because they offered images of dom/sub relations that were extremely hard to find otherwise. As a result, the novels have been extremely influential within the BDSM community; Gorean BDSM is fully-developed sub-community.

    Norman's primary contribution to BDSM, from what I've been able to tell, is the concept of slave positions, with strict definitions, specific names, and so on. Norman's positions were adopted by BDSMers who often had no other interest in Gorean BDSM. They've been adapted to malesub practice, and have entered into gay BDSM circles to the extent that they are often identified as having originated with the Old Guard leather scene of the 70s, even though most elders who remember that period say that they never saw anyone use formal slave positions of any sort. So if you ever see subs being given orders like 'kajira' or 'present kneeling', you're basically seeing Norman's influence on our activities.

    So there you have it: shitty, sexist novels made a major contribution to the lives of many BDSMers. Perhaps in 40 years, we'll be talking about the 50 Shades of Grey BDSM style. God I hope not.
     
  3. MrWolfgang

    MrWolfgang Member

    Humph....well, thats pretty interesting. Had no idea. Good stuff! Dunno if Im going to run out and start on any of em though. 30 novels....thats pretty steep there.
     
  4. Smallest

    Smallest Moderator

    So that's what it means when a really sexist newdom says they're 'gorian style.' I knew it came from something, but generally I just chalked it up to 'sexist extremist.'

    Wolfgang- I like Andre Santhomas' Janos novels (Ielle, Ovia, Eanna and Maiya). They're set in a similar thing (men are superior, girls are trained to serve) but the female characters are all strong and independent despite it- so although the society it's set in is sexist, the story is not. Just to suggest something similar and probably better, though I understand if you want to read the Gor stuff just for the sake of knowing it.
     
  5. MrWolfgang

    MrWolfgang Member

    Very cool. Thank you for the heads up. Like the sound of that.
     
  6. bakerboy

    bakerboy Member

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