Suggestions for somone to new to SM

sebastian

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Decoy, sounds like you've found a good place to start. One word of safety advice, if you're doing impact stuff (spanking, paddling, flogging) avoid the lower back and the upper buttocks. You don't want to hit the kidneys or the base of the spine, both of which are vulnerable because they're right under the skin; it's easy to cause real pain and lasting injury. Target the lower buttocks and the upper back. The risk is a little less with spanking than with a tool, but with pain play, always think safety first.

You might try getting verbal with her as you spank her. Depending on whether she likes talking dirty, you might try something like "yeah, this is what you want, isn't it, bitch?" And then force her to answer you.

Some subs get quite an erotic charge out of being forced to verbalize their desires. Just last night I met a new boy for the first time, and he was really nervous--he was convinced everyone in the coffeehouse knew what we were doing. Really early on, I said "what do you want, boy?" And he kind of stuttered around and finally said "what we talked about online." Right there I knew I'd found a button and I said "I want you to say it out loud." I thought he was gonna orgasm right there as he struggled to say "I want to be at your feet licking your boots." If your gf is anything like this guy, she may have a sense of shame about what she wants, and being forced to say it out loud might A) be very arousing for her and B) be therapeutic.

If you find that she's struggling with anything (like saying her desires out loud or letting herself relax enough to enjoy something), praise her when she makes progress. Tell her how proud you are of her. I told my boy last night that I was proud that he had worked up the courage to meet. Lots of subs want their dom to be an authority figure who both praises and disciplines them.

L8: I've got a lot of natural talent for psychology. My mom taught me from a very young age to reflect on my feelings and explore them, and it's taught me how to understand other people better. I've often thought that if I hadn't been a historian, I might have been a therapist. I've done therapy a number of times myself (and actually, since I've realized my dominance, I've thought about going back and exploring a few issues), and I've done a little bit of reading about therapy. And when I first got into d/s play, I did a ton of reading about it, including the psychology of it. A lot of the stuff I post is really just what seems like common sense to me.

D/s play is inherently dramatic and theatrical, and it can easily tap into the same things that role-playing therapy taps into. I think part of what happens for a sub is that a good dom wears two hats simultaneously. The outer hat is the cruel master, the one who selfishly inflicts pain, humiliation, and so on. The inner hat is the loving partner, the one who helps the sub meet his or her needs, expresses love and affection, and so on. So the dom can simultaneously be a trusted guide and traumatic figure to be confronted. The sub knows that the dom isn't really an abusive father or a rapist, and therefore it can become safe for the sub to acknowledge his or her feelings about the person who hurt him or her.

But obviously this gets into very deep water. So it has to be done slowly, like desensitization therapy for a fear of spiders or flying. And the dom has to be prepared to stop if the sub shows signs of being upset.
 
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decoyicus

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thanks for the safety tips Sebastian I would hate to have to make another sex related trip to the ER. as for verbal abuse I would have to make it pretty extreme to shock or offend her (her father is an Irishman who spent years berating her for being bisexual) but I will give it a try. as for voicing her desires she is totally comfortable with it in fact she likes to whisper really dirty things in my ear in public to turn me on. But one thing I have been thinking of expanding on is our "public dares" as we call them one of us will dare the do something in public and the reward is getting the other to do anything(one of mine was french kissing a man in a catholic church and one of hers was wearing a mini skirt with no panties for a week) any ideas on how we can expand on that ?
 
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sebastian

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If she likes being verbal, then be really dirty. You don't need to shock her. The idea is to verbalize desire and therefore validate it. As you've figured out, I'm really into the mental game of bdsm, so I do all sorts of stuff verbally. For example, when I'm torturing a boy's tits, I'll lean in real close and whisper "This really hurts, doesn't it? You can barely stand it. If you beg me the right way, I might stop." Doing that focuses the sub's attention, shakes up their ability to manage the pain, and cues him that I want to hear him beg. Another trick is to tell the sub what you're feeling. "I'm getting so fucking hard watching you try to manage the pain." Or try taunting her for enjoying what you're doing. This works really well with a lot of male subs, but I don't know how effective it is with female subs, who typically are less into being humiliated. I'll say stuff like "No real man would let me do this shit. It's pathetic how you're just lying there letting me beat your ass." I'll also make the boy repeat what I just said "Yes, sir, I'm a worthless pussyboy."

When I watch bdsm porn, I'm often startled by how little verbal interaction the dom has with the sub. I've seen footage of guys who are big names in bdsm porn and thought, "I can do a more interesting scene than that, just by opening my mouth!"
 
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Damn Seb, even *I* got horny reading that. Guess there's a sub side to me after all.

Anyhoooo~ public dares huh? I guess to up the ante on the mini-skirt with no panties dare you could have her wear a ponytail buttplug. A small one if she's not used to doing anything anal or if she hasn't been trained. Definitely research anal training before you do it! A lot can go wrong if you do it wrong (but that pretty much sums up BDSM/D/s right there). Anyway, you could go to the mall with her wearing that and have her ride up the escalator with a shopping bag between her feet. I don't remember WHICH thread on read that on on this forum, but that was what one dom/sub did.
 
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decoyicus

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me and my girlfriend are both into anal play (she can take a lot more than me though) and I have been looking into getting her a ponytail buttplug for her birthday(as well as a few other sex toys) but I couldn't find any that weren't made of latex. if you could suggest a site that sells high quality sex toys I would appreciate it.
 
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L8NightQ you say it took a long time for your sub to be comfortable with bondage I was just wondering if you started with light bondage and slowly upped the ante or if you started with other things and slowly expanded her comfort zone

Seemed like forever. If I remember correctly, it was almost a year.
I started by giving her rope to hold behind her back, and using a collar that was anchored to something like a bed post, so even if she wasn't restrained she was restricted. She had the ability to drop the rope or to take off the collar, but she new this was a disappointment to me, though not necessarily punishable.
I'd also use leather cuffs that were loosely tied together, giving her quite a range of movement.

Like I said, all this worked over time but not to the point where sex while bound was really there. Just reminded her too much.

I always thought it was odd because she wasn't tied during the event.... Just held down (multiple attackers). Maybe it was the forced sex will not being able to get away. As long as she felt she could move, things were fine. But the line did move from time to time (mostly with alcohol), but still very touchy. I had to be very careful with taking her anywhere near the experience. I think it helped that she had been with me before the incident (we knew each other in college).
 
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L8NightQ

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We are both allergic to latex shes type 4 meaning she gets a rash I'm type 1 meaning there's a real risk of me dieing if I come into contact with it (losing my virginity was not fun)

It should be pretty easy to find one made of silicone, glass, acrylic, or metal. They're not much more expensive, well, the glass and metal ones are. Glass and acrylic are very rigid. Silicone is softer and not as much temperature shock (very short anyway). I'd estimate $20 us or more for silicone and about $25 and up for glass. More for metal. By now you might be able to find them cheaper.
 
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