Pro Dom/mes

Discussion in 'General BDSM discussions' started by Smallest, Nov 1, 2011.

  1. Smallest

    Smallest Moderator

    Do pro doms count as prostitutes? I know some only sell slave training/sadism/etc, but we're discussing it in class and my prof doesn't know. We're in Canada, but it's similar to the states, I'm sure. Or we can just debate it, whatever.
     
  2. sebastian

    sebastian Active Member

    I think it partly depends on your definition of 'prostitute'. If you define a prostitute as 'someone who has genital sex with a client for money', then many prodoms do not qualify as prostitutes because they do not have genital sex with clients. However, if you define a prostitute as 'someone who engages in sexual activity with a client for money', then yes, I think a prodom does qualify as a prostitute, because BDSM is sexual in some sense, although it doesn't necessarily require genital stimulation. It's sex the way that phone sex is sex.
     
  3. Smallest

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    I asked my prof outrightly, and she said a similar thing- that it all went back to the question of whether BDSM is inherently sexual. But she did not know if it was, by law, considered prostitution, and she seemed somewhat closed minded about SM so I didn't push it.
     
  4. IMO...

    Prostitution and BDSM are two separate entities. They can be intermixed, but not dependent on one another. While in prostitution the exchange of funds or currency for sexual favor is what the transaction is based on, the services a Dom provides do not have to include sexual favor, or intercourse for exchange of funds. The services behind domination is primarily a psychological need of fulfillment and not one of a sexual base consistently. So by law, US law that is, no, it is not a form of prostitution unless sexual favor is exchanged for funds.

    Domination can have a sexual overtone to it, and even an interest, but I don't believe it is sexually based, its a result from a deeper need and interest, one involving pushing limits of one another while catering to the release of control and exploring each other through intimate settings.
     
  5. Smallest

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    If you were an 'expert source' instead of an anonymous internet person, I'd use the last part in my debate.
     
  6. sebastian

    sebastian Active Member

    Hmm. I'm inclined to see all BDSM as sexual on some level, just not genital sex. Not all power exchange is sexual, but I think BDSM is the subset of power exchange that _is_ about sex.
     
  7. Smallest

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    I think BDSM is sexual, but the pleasure isn't inherently, and the debate I must do is about the pleasure, so for that, I can argue what I believe. For this, I think it's sexual, but I don't know if that's enough to mean prostitution, seeing as so are fetish models and so on.
     
  8. sebastian

    sebastian Active Member

    BDSM is sexual but the pleasure it gives is not inherently sexual? How does that work?

    Think about it this way. Power exchange is a basic principle in society. When you have a job, you exchange obedience for money. When you take a class from a teacher, you are submitting to his/her power in that class. The military is based on power exchange. When we elect public officials, we agree to obey their decisions. Obviously I'm simplifying, but there is some element of consensual power exchange in all of these. None of these are sexual in and of themselves. BDSM is that subset of power exchange activities in which some element of sexual pleasure is inherently involved, usually for both dom and sub. The pleasure in being humiliated may not be explicitly sexual in that no genitals are involved, but subs definitely derive some element of sexual pleasure from the experience, even if it's hard to explain how. It still gets them aroused. And the same for the dom.
     
  9. subarama30

    subarama30 Member

    I don't see Pro Doms as prostitutes in that they don't have sex for money. Yes Bdsm to me is inherently sexual but if there is no penetration or even genital contact then I don't see how you can lump them in with a street walker?!
     
  10. Smallest

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    Well, cooking's generally to make food, but enjoying that isn't necessarily because your hungry. I'm not sure if that analogy works, I'm running on no sleep or food.
     
  11. sebastian

    sebastian Active Member


    Well, that's really the question, isn't it? How exactly do we define sex? If we define it as genital contact/penetration, then no, many prodoms don't do that and aren't prostitutes.

    What about phone sex. If I call you and talk out a fantasy while you jack off/pleasure yourself, are we having sex? If the answer is yes, then prodoms also fall into that category. If no, then prodoms are not the same as prostitutes.
     
  12. Smallest, Thank you, lol....

    I have to also agree with Sebastian's perspectives as well. In many cases there can be a deep rooted sexual need being fulfilled through BDSM.

    As for the definition, I would go based on what our society declares to be the root of prostitution in which we base criminal actions, through the exchange of sex in exchange of funds.

    This is definitely a fun and murky topic!
     
  13. sebastian

    sebastian Active Member

    The question isn't really how to define prostitution. I think everyone agrees that prostitution is the exchange of sex for money. The question is really how do we define sex? Do I have to touch your genitals in order to have sex? If we masturbate together, are we having sex? If we do phone sex, are we having sex? If I piss on you, are we having sex?
     
  14. Unfortunately to answer that question would best be handled by a survey to gain a mean in answer.. It will have a different answer by each person asked. I would be under the understanding that through any form of mutual genital contact, or by penetration of ones genitals by any means, would be considered sexual.
     

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