Passing out

Discussion in 'Safety aspects of BDSM' started by kittengrey, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. kittengrey

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    K you guys, got a challenge for you.
    I never passed out before, and I really want my Master to just knock me out, so that I have no say over what he does to my body. He and I talked about it before, and we're looking into ways of how to knock me out safely. He had suggested a chloroform rag, but we can't get the chloroform (the government restricts sales of the chemical to universities and science institutes, and monitors all sales of the chemical)
    So my question is: Does anyone here know of a safe (and hopefully painless or little pain) way to knock someone out?
    (or does anyone know where we can get some chloroform?)
  2. master jey

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    if it's illegal you can't at least legally :)
    it's easy with the right hit (if it's safe)
    for me safest way of knoking someone out is choking there are some nice chokers thet can cause you to faint for me it'll take 6_7 seconds to knock someone out for a guy who hasn't mastered the choker it'll take maximum 25 seconds
  3. master jey

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    actually there are 3 good ways
    to hit the jaw right
    cut off oigen supply with the right hold
    cut off blood supply with the right hold

    and knocking someone out is never safe :)
  4. sebastian

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    As an alternative, have you looked into erotic hypnosis? I know someone who likes it. His buddy hypnotizes him, which leaves him conscious but totally pliant. The buddy uses him and afterward he has no memory of what happened, which excites him enormously.

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    Everything about this just seems like a really bad plan.
  6. GreyMac

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    Loss of consciousness involves one of four basic processes: Sleep, chemical inducement, lack of air/blood supply to the brain, or a trauma induced concussion, (e.g. being 'knocked out" by a punch or other blow to the head or neck.)

    Only natural sleep is without serious possible consequence. The rest carry significant possibility of injury or death. Any chemical (there's a good reason these are under careful government control), blunt trauma or method of restricting air/blood flow that can cause unconsciousness can also cause coma or death if administered improperly. Just ask Keith Carridine. No, wait. you can't do that.

    He's dead.

    Perhaps a good pair of earplugs, covered over by a set of the ear muffs used by shooters or users of power equipment, along with a blindfold and a piece of duct tape over your mouth will come close enough to sensory deprivation that you can fantasize the rest and actually be around to enjoy it?
    This really works better than you might think.

    Just as an aside, do not put anything in your mouth if you duct tape it shut. Panties and so forth stuffed into your mouth tend to migrate to the back of the mouth/top of the throat area. Then one ill-timed effort to swallow all that saliva that has nowhere else to go and those panties can cut off your air supply completely. If you're taped shut, you can't bring this up. Then if your Master spends just 120 seconds thinking, "Wow, she's really getting into the game" you might get to talk with Mr. Carradine in the afterlife about the things you have in common.

    Stranger things happen every day. Be careful with this one.
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    Puppy and I have done this, it was fun. I agree with IF and Grey on this.
    It's too dangerous. You have me worried for you now Kitten. :(
  8. master jey

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    well seems like best plan i would never try neck holds on my girlfriend this is really dangerous in special forces i was allowed to use only light holds (till "knocking out") during training but even those strong and all thet manly army guys woke up from them all pail and scared everytime you cut oxigen or blood supply to the brane some part of it dies so you risk to stay dumb for the rest of your life or just die...
  9. kittengrey

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    Awe, you guys shouldn't worry about me. I've just always had a "I wonder what it feels like to pass out" thing. I know sleep is a form of losing consciousness, but I want to just suddenly 'drop' and not have a clue what happens to me between the time I drop and the time I wake up.
    But yeah, Master's extremely careful with me. He researches everything before we do anything that we haven't done before, looking into every possible scenario that could happen. As for the chloroform thing, Master said chloroform is a depressant that slows down the muscles and, when inhaled, will slow the lung muscles, cut oxygen levels very quickly, and only takes about 5 seconds to knock someone out. He times everything, and he trained and learned how long the body can go without oxygen, so he knows what he's doing. We've done breath play before, and he keeps me in a hold so that I can at least get very small breaths in, and he never holds me for more then 8 seconds, but he never held me down enough for me to pass out (or even become incoherent). I trust him because he has proven to me that he does know what he's doing, he is careful, and I know that if he ever did something bad to me, he'd be so fricken depressed its not funny (I'm sure you guys read about how I walked out on him and made him break down into a sobbing mess)
    And the ear plugs/ blindfold/ lack of senses thing is cool, but it just wouldn't be the same as 'no feeling whatsoever'

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    I probably shouldn't suggest this, but if you're convinced you're going to do this anyway, you could procure some flunitrazepam (aka rohypnol, aka roofie, aka date rape drug) from someone. . . I do NOT suggest this at ALL but you're probably going to figure out some way to do it, and this might be a less harmful method. You're there, but you won't remember anything. Usually.
  11. kittengrey

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    xD THE HANGOVER!!! (if anyone saw that movie, you'd know what I'm talking about)
  12. WmaGuy

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    Total sensory deprivation really does work. Earplugs under a good quality hood and the right application of bondage will have you soaring....I'd say hit the bottle a little heavy, but then that can lead to A2 poisoning, asphyxiation et al....
  13. subspace

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    The best laid plans....
    The part about cutting oxygen levels and depressing the central nervous system have been know to cause sudden death by cardiac arrest, if your Master realized it was to much for you it would be too late. Don't ignore the SSC rule. There are so many avenues to explore and you have been given great ideas in this thread, I suggest you heed the warnings and play safe. Be careful kitten.
  14. sebastian

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    Kitten, let me add my voice to the suggestions that this sort of play is too risky. Think about it in terms of risk analysis: what might happen if something goes wrong? In a lot of bondage scenarios, the risks involve things like rope burn, severe cramps, maybe a damaged joint or dislocation--unpleasant but manageable. (yes--I know that hardcore bondage has more risks than that. I'm talking about moderate scenes.) So what are the risks here? Oxygen deprivation that causes permanent damage to the brain, stroke, cardiac arrest, perhaps death. Is the thrill of this fantasy worth the risk of one of these if something goes wrong? Even if you don't die, you could wind up with cognitive disability, the loss of motor control, incontinence, neuralgia, loss of vision, memory problems, or a host of other things that happen when the brain is deprived of oxygen for too long.

    Here another thing to think of. Your master clearly cares for you deeply. He goes to considerable lengths to research things that will safely meet your fantasies. So imagine how he would feel if he did this for you and it went wrong. Not only would he have to deal with the immediate consequences of the accident (your death or permanent injury), but he would also have to live with the knowledge that he had done it to you. Even if you're willing to risk injury or death in pursuit of this fantasy, are you willing to risk what it would do to him?

    Please pursue the various alternatives. Even getting drunk to the point of passing out is probably safer than what you're contemplating.

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    And if you're not worried about YOU, think about your Dominant. What will happen to Him if something does happen to you? You've mentioned he's rather emotionally fragile when you leave. What happens if He kills you? From what you said, He couldn't handle it. AND He'd be arrested and thrown into prison.

    Edit- Apparently I didn't read dear Sebastian's post before I posted. Sorry for the repetition!

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