Is the pleasure we get from SM purely sexual?

Discussion in 'General BDSM discussions' started by Smallest, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. Smallest

    Smallest Moderator

    So, the topic of this thread is the debate topic I got assigned for Phil Sex and Love.

    For one, I was wondering if any of you had resources you could link me for my research (online's definitely best). I guess pretty much the only part i need to prove/disprove is if there are other kinds of pleasure derived.

    And for another, I thought it would be an interesting discussion for us to have, especially because pretty much no one's posting in any discussion threads today today (deocoyicus, I saw your thread but I don't know what to say yet).


    I don't think it's purely sexual by personal opinion, but I haven't started the scientific research into it. From the back of my mind, I know that pain causes the release of endorphins and that makes you happier, but that could be sexual as well. Still, I think there's a physical and mental enjoyment other than the sexual side, as well as the satisfaction after.
     
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  2. Luna

    Luna Member

    That is a very interesting question you pose and there are so many perspective ways to view it.
    I believe, depending upon the individual relationship, and taking into account what aspects of BDSM you participate in, that yes, there is a higher gratification there. There is the bond created between two people, an intimacy that does surpass the basic limbic response of pure sexual pleasure.
    Does a true Sadist derive some pleasure other than on a sexual level? By definition, the answer would be no.
    Sounds like fun research. I'll have to look around when I have more time.
     
  3. sebastian

    sebastian Active Member

    It depends on what you mean by 'sex'. I have done pain play scenes where I enjoying the scene, but my cock was not getting hard. I think that the sense of empowerment a dom feels is distinct from sex, although obviously it's a next door neighbor.
     
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  4. decoyicus

    decoyicus Member

    I have been sitting here for over an hour trying to think of a response, and I still don't think I have anything worthy of such a deep question but I will try.

    I can only speak for myself on this but I don't think that its purely sexual, for me there are certainly a great deal of sexual elements too it but there is defiantly something more. What that something is however I am unsure of, this is something I have spent a great deal of time thinking about. I know that I dominate to feel powerful, to have the sense of absolute control and whether that is sexual or not I do not know. As for why I submit I'm still figuring it out and not ready to declare anything.
     
  5. Knots

    Knots Member

    A sadist is one who derives pleasure from other's pain; it does not need to be sexual pleasure.
     
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  6. Luna

    Luna Member

    All right, but that depends on your definition of Sadist.
    Clinically the definition of a Sadist specifies 'sexual gratification.'
    All in all, very interesting topic.
     
  7. Knots

    Knots Member

    No it doesn't. Within psychiatric diagnostic systems (such as the DSM, which isn't exactly an authority that can be ignored) "sexual sadism" is a specific paraphillia, and yields a seperate definition to the broader term, "sadism".

    Sexual sadism is a particularly common form of sadism, which is why google searching sadism will produce a bias in this direction. It is advisable that people think about these sorts of things when using such search engines, so they're not mislead by the wealth of unfiltered information on the internet.
     
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  8. Luna

    Luna Member

    I apologize. I stand corrected.
     
  9. Smallest

    Smallest Moderator

    I'm going to start doing the biological research into this now, but it sounds like everyone agrees that it doesn't seem like it.
     
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  10. Knots

    Knots Member

    After you've looked at the biological stuff...there's been some really cool studies into the psychological effects of sexual roleplay, though I sadly don't have time to dig them up right now.
     
  11. sebastian

    sebastian Active Member

    One thing to keep in mind is that BDSM is about power exchange, which is a basic principle in society in general. We agree to voluntary power exchange with our teachers, our bosses, our elected officials, and more. Some people derive considerable pleasure from being on top in those reactions. Power can be extremely enjoyable without being sexual.
     
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  12. Knots

    Knots Member

    As can surrendering power; don't forget all those poor ickle subs which lend themselves to you, Sebby! xd
     
  13. Kor

    Kor Member

    BDSM isn't sex, though it's often combined with it.
     
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  14. Smallest

    Smallest Moderator

    I'm debating that it's not, but I didn't write the question. I modified it for posting here (and also just did from memory instead of copying it.

    Here is it, in the exact wording from my professor:

    In that wording, it's a flawed question, because it's obviously sexually gratifying in some ways, but not in others.
     
  15. Betweenthebars

    Betweenthebars New Member

    I get sexual gratification from being submissive, but it's also psychological as well. Giving up all control to another person and surrendering to their will is very mentally thrilling. I'm not sure if you're asking about subs too, though.
     

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