Iowa man gets 15 years for making an order of alleged pre-teen mangas

Death · May 27, 2009

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/050921-CBLDF.html

It isn't even clear if it truly was drawings of "pre-teens"; from the comments to the article that follow, the drawings depicted sex between characters that "could" be underage. In other words, like with basically any manga available, as basically all girls look underage in manga. It's chilling what a country the US is. Even if it was lolicon or shotacon, it was still just drawings. I really don't like lolicon/shotacon myself but, nonetheless, I can see such a complete difference between child porn and lolicon/shotacon. Child porn is beyond terrible but when someone likes lolicon and/or shotacon, it does NOT EVEN mean the person is a pedophile. And if the person IS a pedophile, better that that person would look at should-be legal drawings than ending up looking at horrifying child porn, instead. Why can't people see the difference between lolicon/shotacon and child porn? Why are people so fucking stupid? God I HATE this world.

Take note that the article says that the guy was a collector. I bet he just obsessively collected all sorts of manga books and drawings, and for that he got fifteen years. If he's just another innocent person to be thrown into prison in the US, I hope he takes his life, soon, so he won't have to go through this shit any longer.

Sparrow69 · May 27, 2009

you should post this in the "in the media" section

Death · May 30, 2009

The "in the news" thread...? Well, it's much more about human rights than fetishes. I would post it but I don't really feel like bothering with it, right now.

I really hate this world and almost all people in it. Sigh.

Sparrow69 · May 30, 2009

I'm in agreement that the world usually sucks.

Amuk · May 30, 2009

Wow, that case is a load of crap. It really is a shame that he didn't take it all the way.

While I agree that the world does suck, there is a beauty to everything all the same. Humans are a generally disgusting species, but that is besides my point. It's the fact that we even exist in the first place. The fact that anythingin our universe exists is what is truly amazing. The fact that there is life, that is even more astounding.

Why do I believe this? Because out of an infinite number of possibilities, WE EXIST. To even just exist, against all odds, should count for something, shouldn't it?

Sparrow69 · May 30, 2009

yes, yes it should Amuk. However merely existing doesn't count for nearly as much as what you do with that existence, and when I see stuff like this, it reminds me of why I never watch the news.

Amuk · May 30, 2009

Precisely. I don't preach world peace, as I don't believe it's possible. And I don't preach about improving the world either. It's the betterment of self that I believe. What we experience as existence is only in our minds, so we might as well try to improve ourselves.

News? I've almost forgotten what that is.

pyroaquatic · Jun 3, 2009

out of chaos, order is made.

i wonder how much money the state put into prosecuting this man and keeping him holed up. Instead they should pool that money into technologies that catch people that actually do it. (or worse crimes)

Death · Jun 3, 2009

I wonder what those that feel this is correct (and MANY do) would feel about someone merely being harassed by the authorities for ordering a manga with murder in it, or maybe for drawing murder. It'd be a scandal. Or maybe it wouldn't. The US and almost all other countries are so fucked up that people just don't care. The innocents are just statistics, or text on a screen, or words from a newsperson.

Amuk · Jun 4, 2009

Death said:
I wonder what those that feel this is correct (and MANY do) would feel about someone merely being harassed by the authorities for ordering a manga with murder in it, or maybe for drawing murder. It'd be a scandal. Or maybe it wouldn't. The US and almost all other countries are so fucked up that people just don't care. The innocents are just statistics, or text on a screen, or words from a newsperson.

You make a very good point, Death. Just because someone creates a fictionalized version of something, doesn't mean that they are going to do that. In fact, I think it's better that people have some sort of release rather than having to pent it all up. That would make anyone eventually crack under the pressure.

That's why some people are saying that it's ok to play violent video games, watch violent movies, read violent comics, etc It means that they're rational enough to not release those feeling in the real world on real people. Take it away, and then you've got the real problem. The same should apply for this, but most are just too hidebound to acknowledge such a concept.

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