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^^ I'd like to make friends too. Have you tried lexapro or maybe another anti-depressant? Maybe Paxil just isn't right for your body chemistry.
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Kaj, Tumble's right. If Paxil isn't giving you any relief, talk to your doctor about trying a different med. Most meds will start to kick in after about 2 weeks, although sometimes the dosage may need to be modified.
Also I strongly recommend exercise. Find some sort of exercise you can do for 30 minutes at least every other day; do more if you can. Vigorous walking (although even leisurely walking can help a little), biking, jogging, swimming, rollerblading, sports like softball or volleyball, lifting weights, aerobics, even fast dancing (like swing) can all work. There are several reasons why exercise is good for depression. 1) It gets you out of your house; it's a little harder to brood in a less familiar location. 2) The weight loss and muscle toning help you feel better and more confident about your appearance and health issues. 3) Exercising outdoors exposes you to nature, which studies have shown can improve mood dramatically (people who live in cities with lots of trees are less likely to be depressed than those in cities with few trees). 4) Team activities help distract and socialize you; if you're competitive they will bring out that side of you. 5) The physical effort of exertion required for weight lifting, hard biking, and so on require concentration that distracts you from your negative thoughts; simply breaking your thought-cycle can provide substantial relief, even if it's short term. 6) The release of endorphins in your body combats the various chemicals that negatively affect your thought patterns. 7) Some exercise is simply fun to do.
So figure out some way to force yourself to get regular exercise. After you've started doing it regularly, you _will_ see some improvement in your mood. It may not be enough to substitute for medicaion, but it will make things easier.
Also I strongly recommend exercise. Find some sort of exercise you can do for 30 minutes at least every other day; do more if you can. Vigorous walking (although even leisurely walking can help a little), biking, jogging, swimming, rollerblading, sports like softball or volleyball, lifting weights, aerobics, even fast dancing (like swing) can all work. There are several reasons why exercise is good for depression. 1) It gets you out of your house; it's a little harder to brood in a less familiar location. 2) The weight loss and muscle toning help you feel better and more confident about your appearance and health issues. 3) Exercising outdoors exposes you to nature, which studies have shown can improve mood dramatically (people who live in cities with lots of trees are less likely to be depressed than those in cities with few trees). 4) Team activities help distract and socialize you; if you're competitive they will bring out that side of you. 5) The physical effort of exertion required for weight lifting, hard biking, and so on require concentration that distracts you from your negative thoughts; simply breaking your thought-cycle can provide substantial relief, even if it's short term. 6) The release of endorphins in your body combats the various chemicals that negatively affect your thought patterns. 7) Some exercise is simply fun to do.
So figure out some way to force yourself to get regular exercise. After you've started doing it regularly, you _will_ see some improvement in your mood. It may not be enough to substitute for medicaion, but it will make things easier.
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Hey Kaj -
I agree with Tumb3 on the switch from Paxil. I've seen the effects of both and Lexapro has a very different effect.
Without exercise though, or some serious stimulation, the pill just has to much work to do. Don't know if it's too cold up there, but try a longer walk with the dog in the morning, and after work.
Seb is right. Doing it will make you feel better, even though you don't feel like doing it. Guess it's one of those leaps of faith.
When I get depressed, the last thing I want to do is work out, but once I do, I seem to get the energy to do it again.
It's the only thing that has kept me off of medication.
We miss you. Hope you feel better.
I agree with Tumb3 on the switch from Paxil. I've seen the effects of both and Lexapro has a very different effect.
Without exercise though, or some serious stimulation, the pill just has to much work to do. Don't know if it's too cold up there, but try a longer walk with the dog in the morning, and after work.
Seb is right. Doing it will make you feel better, even though you don't feel like doing it. Guess it's one of those leaps of faith.
When I get depressed, the last thing I want to do is work out, but once I do, I seem to get the energy to do it again.
It's the only thing that has kept me off of medication.
We miss you. Hope you feel better.
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I know all about side effects, 8 years remember? heh.
I've tried many and yeah I plan to find energy and speak to my doc again. It's a balance of dose and the right med...know all about it. Not too seem snotty, just I kinda know this already.
As for exercise I walk to and from work daily as I have no choice, I also do a lot of cleaning, part of my job and i already walk my dogs. Those of you who do it often and right now it's a work out all by it's self 2 hours a day every day. I've tried exercising in the past, did little for me.
However it's also been brought to my attention that my iron could be damn low. It's also a strong possiblity with my history and such that I might have hyper-thyroid or w/e the hell you call it. So gonna get the doc to check that, it's been several years since anyone has. And it explains alot of how I feel right now.
Then again the really short version could be that it's because I have the bloody flu. Saturday honestly wasn't so bad..nor a few days last week. Yesterday was a friggin killer. Today isn't too shit hot either. But I'm having chills and sweats, puking, other unpleasant toilet like things, bad headahe, achy...you get the point.
I'm not a hypercondratic (sp?) but with flu, period and IBS it could be that I just feel like shit because I feel like shit. So I dunno. Doubt a doc could even figure it out at this point with all 3 things bugging me at once. I'll wait till the flu and period bugger off then go in. Makes more sense then her trying to guess which thig is causing what.
On a side note: I'd written the name of the med you guys mentioned, I'll ask about it. Sex isn't everything but on the other hand I'd like to be a bit more e and that's having a sex drive of some sort.
I hope I didn't seem rude or ungreatful...
I've tried many and yeah I plan to find energy and speak to my doc again. It's a balance of dose and the right med...know all about it. Not too seem snotty, just I kinda know this already.
As for exercise I walk to and from work daily as I have no choice, I also do a lot of cleaning, part of my job and i already walk my dogs. Those of you who do it often and right now it's a work out all by it's self 2 hours a day every day. I've tried exercising in the past, did little for me.
However it's also been brought to my attention that my iron could be damn low. It's also a strong possiblity with my history and such that I might have hyper-thyroid or w/e the hell you call it. So gonna get the doc to check that, it's been several years since anyone has. And it explains alot of how I feel right now.
Then again the really short version could be that it's because I have the bloody flu. Saturday honestly wasn't so bad..nor a few days last week. Yesterday was a friggin killer. Today isn't too shit hot either. But I'm having chills and sweats, puking, other unpleasant toilet like things, bad headahe, achy...you get the point.
I'm not a hypercondratic (sp?) but with flu, period and IBS it could be that I just feel like shit because I feel like shit. So I dunno. Doubt a doc could even figure it out at this point with all 3 things bugging me at once. I'll wait till the flu and period bugger off then go in. Makes more sense then her trying to guess which thig is causing what.
On a side note: I'd written the name of the med you guys mentioned, I'll ask about it. Sex isn't everything but on the other hand I'd like to be a bit more e and that's having a sex drive of some sort.
I hope I didn't seem rude or ungreatful...
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Ah, gotcha. Yeah you don't seem rude/ungrateful at all. You feel like crap and you've been doing this for years (unfortunately).
I like lexapro, honestly. It's an anti-anxiety/depression (mostly depression) and it hasn't killed my sex drive at all. No weight gain, it makes you a bit tired, but compared to some other symptoms it could be a lot worse.
I hope you feel better, please keep us posted. *hugs*
I like lexapro, honestly. It's an anti-anxiety/depression (mostly depression) and it hasn't killed my sex drive at all. No weight gain, it makes you a bit tired, but compared to some other symptoms it could be a lot worse.
I hope you feel better, please keep us posted. *hugs*
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I have to take a bit of this back. I was in a really bad mood when I said that. A lot of my questioning of it is perfectly reasonable, and a lot of shady things indeed are going on in the psychiatry business, especially in regards to so-called "anti-psychotics" (to add - psychotic in regards to what?), and a lot of the so-called "medications" should be seriously questioned if should ever be used at all, but some others, like SSRI's, may be of help, at times. As said, you probably should try some other SSRI than Paxil (paroxetine), such as maybe the mentioned Lexapro, since it apparently doesn't cause sexual dysfunction, or at least not so in Tumbl3's case. However, don't let any doctor convince you to start combining different substances, ever... that is not a good path to take, as the results are very unpredictable.
Anyway... I still do not believe in anti-depressants - in general. But in some cases, the safer kinds may be a good idea, after all... if used with care.
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Well, also, if anti-depressants are still not working for you, you can always get a UV lamp.
Some people's bodies don't react well to ANY type of anti-depressant, so going for a natural source is really the only option left besides just ending everything.
Some people's bodies don't react well to ANY type of anti-depressant, so going for a natural source is really the only option left besides just ending everything.
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Good idea there Tumbl,
I am fairly new to the forum, so I'm one of those new faces
So hi!
My two cents:
As another person who suffers from depression, I know the horrible trial of having to go through different anti-depressants. If you do eventually find the -right- medication for you, it will help a lot. But, like Tumbl says, sometimes anti-depressants aren't everything.
I like to think I've found one I react well to, but I still go up and down... though perhaps it's a little more manageable? I still need lots of other tips and tricks to get me through - talking with friends/family, writing (I find writing very theraputic, whether it's about what I'm going through or not), listening to bright music, meditation etc.
And when I talk about meditation, it doesn't have to be the full on "ohmmmm" kinda thing. It can be just taking the time to sit with your cup of coffee in the morning, and walking through the sensations you feel as you drink it - the warmth of the mug against your skin, the smell rising off it into your nostrils, the weight of your legs in the chair... etc.
Finding comfort in small things, and letting your mind stop the insane circular race around your own head can be very soothing, to me.
Anyway, I know everyone is different, so I hope that you can find your own way to cope.
I am fairly new to the forum, so I'm one of those new faces
So hi!My two cents:
As another person who suffers from depression, I know the horrible trial of having to go through different anti-depressants. If you do eventually find the -right- medication for you, it will help a lot. But, like Tumbl says, sometimes anti-depressants aren't everything.
I like to think I've found one I react well to, but I still go up and down... though perhaps it's a little more manageable? I still need lots of other tips and tricks to get me through - talking with friends/family, writing (I find writing very theraputic, whether it's about what I'm going through or not), listening to bright music, meditation etc.
And when I talk about meditation, it doesn't have to be the full on "ohmmmm" kinda thing. It can be just taking the time to sit with your cup of coffee in the morning, and walking through the sensations you feel as you drink it - the warmth of the mug against your skin, the smell rising off it into your nostrils, the weight of your legs in the chair... etc.
Finding comfort in small things, and letting your mind stop the insane circular race around your own head can be very soothing, to me.
Anyway, I know everyone is different, so I hope that you can find your own way to cope.
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Welp this is week 5.
The nasea is gone - week 3.
The internal shaking is gone -week 2.
The headaches, well, they never left since the first week years ago when I first started anti-depressants so...I just bless the maker's of liquid Advil and help them pay their mortage.
Turns out I had a good case of just being plan of sick (cough cough hack as I type this) so that explains being so damn miserable last Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and just not so happy the rest of the week and this weekend.
Still ridicuously tired, it's 9:17pm. Was ready for bed at 5pm, not a joke.
Still not sure about sex. I spend once or twice a day thinking, "hmm maybe a fav porno would get me in the mood.." Then I think, "Eh, can't be bothered." Though I have some hope...prolly thought about it 4-5 times today...now if I just think about sex 16 more times a day, I'll be back to my regular self. I sometimes wonder (When I'm not on paxil) if I'm suppose to be an 18 year old guy? -shrug-
If the roads/sidewalks clear and stay clear, I'll try and hit the doc this week. I realized something, I have had VERY little in my diet that gives me iron and gonna get her to check my thyriod also. I was tired before the paxil, so I'm not sure it's fair to blame paxil for everything.
The nasea is gone - week 3.
The internal shaking is gone -week 2.
The headaches, well, they never left since the first week years ago when I first started anti-depressants so...I just bless the maker's of liquid Advil and help them pay their mortage.
Turns out I had a good case of just being plan of sick (cough cough hack as I type this) so that explains being so damn miserable last Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and just not so happy the rest of the week and this weekend.
Still ridicuously tired, it's 9:17pm. Was ready for bed at 5pm, not a joke.
Still not sure about sex. I spend once or twice a day thinking, "hmm maybe a fav porno would get me in the mood.." Then I think, "Eh, can't be bothered." Though I have some hope...prolly thought about it 4-5 times today...now if I just think about sex 16 more times a day, I'll be back to my regular self. I sometimes wonder (When I'm not on paxil) if I'm suppose to be an 18 year old guy? -shrug-
If the roads/sidewalks clear and stay clear, I'll try and hit the doc this week. I realized something, I have had VERY little in my diet that gives me iron and gonna get her to check my thyriod also. I was tired before the paxil, so I'm not sure it's fair to blame paxil for everything.
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Different SSRIs affect different people in different ways. One drug may kill your sex drive, but it won't do that to another person, and a different SSRI may not kill your sex drive. My ex was on one that didn't kill his sex drive, but made it very difficult for him to orgasm. He switched brands and that problem vanished.
I chose not to go the anti-depressant route while I was wrestling with my depression over my ex's departure. I felt that it was more important to focus on the causes of my grief and try to resolve them as best I could. I couldn't do much about his decision to leave, but I decided that I could do something about the feeling that I was going to be single and celibate the rest of my life, so I threw myself into weight loss, and that helped, both by getting me a lot of exercise and by making me feel like I was in control, and by getting me laid regularly. So my advice is, while you are doing the anti-depressants, try to identify specific causes of your depression that you can attack. Obviously depression is partly chemical in nature, and you can't do much about that (other than take SSRIs), although exercise may well help. But usually people are depressed about _something_, like a failed relationship, perceived unattractiveness, failure to achieve career goals (or in my case, all three), or whatever, and those are things you can take control of in various ways.
I chose not to go the anti-depressant route while I was wrestling with my depression over my ex's departure. I felt that it was more important to focus on the causes of my grief and try to resolve them as best I could. I couldn't do much about his decision to leave, but I decided that I could do something about the feeling that I was going to be single and celibate the rest of my life, so I threw myself into weight loss, and that helped, both by getting me a lot of exercise and by making me feel like I was in control, and by getting me laid regularly. So my advice is, while you are doing the anti-depressants, try to identify specific causes of your depression that you can attack. Obviously depression is partly chemical in nature, and you can't do much about that (other than take SSRIs), although exercise may well help. But usually people are depressed about _something_, like a failed relationship, perceived unattractiveness, failure to achieve career goals (or in my case, all three), or whatever, and those are things you can take control of in various ways.
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